The Church or The Bible?

Some say that Pastor/Church is to be obeyed and never questioned.  Others say the final authority for the Christian is the Word of God.  What do you believe?  Tell me why.

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4 thoughts on “The Church or The Bible?

  1. The word of God is the final authority. Remember the pastor and church are supposed to represent God so why accept the middleman as the final authority? If what they preach is true it will lined up with the bible. Man is fallible the word is not. When you do not question you open yourself to be decieved. There are many christian myths that are taken to be true.

    Most good churches preach to read the word and to trust the word , only churches who are control oriented preach to follow the the church or pastor with out backing it up in word.

  2. I totally agree with Ms. Patsy; the Word of God IS the final authority and the pastor and church are suppose to represent God, but sadly, in a few, God has been made the middleman and the Word of God has been manipulated for self-serving purposes or (to control). It’s always good to be in the habit of asking about the things you don’t quite understand and then doing your own research, especially if you’re seeing that it is not lining up with the Word you are reading in the Bible. For example: “If you’re sitting in a church where the pastor teaches that it is wrong to pray for your children or for healing for others, or personal needs and growth in the Lord, and tells the people of God that if you are doing this – you are wrong and you are going against God” – for someone who knows the Word a little better, a bell would go off, signaling that something is very wrong with that statement. (and by the way, this is a true story) There are only 4 people in this congregation, 2 have been saved and active for the Lord many years and the other 2 are not very knowledgeable in the Word. They don’t know that in James 5:13-14 it says: “Is any among you afflicted? let him pray.” “Is any among you sick? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.” And what about Hebrews 4:14-16 where it says that WE CAN PRAY with boldness: “Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not a high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmitites; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.” So why would a statement like that ever be made? And this Pastor says that we ARE to do as he says only and not go to anyone else “because HE watches for our souls?” Would that be considered manipulating the Word of God? (I have long since severed my ties and suggested to the couple that they do some research and get a second opinion on what’s being taught.) It is always good to question what you don’t fully understand and TO STILL DO the research to make sure that it is lining up with the Word of God, (2 Timothy 2:15 says: “Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY dividing the word of TRUTH.”) because “ALMOST RIGHT IS STILL ALWAYS WRONG.” And if it is truly the pastors desire that the members grow in the knowledge of God, then why would that pastor be offended if someone asks questions? (like I did and was acused of having the spirit of a devil) Hmmmm… Unless there is an ulterior motive behind it. God will repay because He will not be mocked.

  3. Hello there!!

    There is a series of You Tube videos titled, “THE CHURCH MAFIA”. I highly recommend it because it addresses this dangerous culture where people believe that the pastor SPEAKS FOR God.

    As a minister, I assure you that God does speak to me and direct me to speak to His people however, every word from my mouth of every waking hour of my day IS NOT a message from God. As the young people would say: “don’t get it twisted!”

    I remember being in public and a person approaching me asking, “is there a word from the Lord?” I know many ministers who would have just MADE UP something that sounded deep just to puff themselves up.

    Peace, blessings and DUNAMIS!
    Lisa

  4. This is solely a cultural thing because of the dogmatic approach, humanistic appeal and sociological tendencies of various churches.

    Go to a Baptist, “Bible”, “Community” or otherwise heavily populated “white” congregation. They are encouraged to enter into a realm of self-tutelage with the pastor as a guide to the Bible. He leads the church through a verbal tapestry of scripture while exhorting everyone to search in their own time for a “more personal truth.” They are conditioned to realize God is the ultimate source of power and instruction.

    Visit a COGIC, MBC or largely black populated church and its USUALLY the polar opposite because of the viewpoints of those in the pews. Some stand when the “first lady” walks into the church. These are places where “Bishop” and “Pastor” are treated as first names, not titles as in the aformentioned houses of worship.

    Both love, worship and place supremacy upon the Word of God, but the way the PEOPLE get there are different. Either way, it makes great writing material for punditry like Kwesi and myself. Good times.

    Peace,
    HiScrivener

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